Your Questions About Biodiesel Processor

Joseph Your Questions About Biodiesel Processor

Joseph asks…

biodiesel tank?

what is the name of the tank. thats plastic that funnel at the bottom that thay use a lot with biodiesel. trying to make a biodiesel processor dont wanna buy it when i can do it my self

admin answers:

You are talking about a conical bottom tank. That’s pretty much what they’re called. It just provides some restriction to volume. During producing biodiesel it is required to make several separations based on phase (not liquid/solid, but different solubilities of liquids). The cone bottom of a tank allows a lower volume of liquid to show at a higher level. By doing that, you can watch more carefully when making this cut to avoid keeping to much junk in your process or throwing away to much good biodiesel.

If you want to save some cash on that and are only making relatively small amounts at a time (100 gal or less) take the normal vessel you are using now and put it on an angle, maybe 30 degrees. As long as you are able to tap and place a new drain at the new low point you have accomplished the same thing.

Note: if you decide to use this method make sure to provide support for the tank, I don’t want you spilling oin and diesel all over the place.

Ken Your Questions About Biodiesel Processor

Ken asks…

Starting a biodiesel business?

Last year my university commissioned two friends and I to design a new type of biodiesel processor and to develop a business plan to either turn it into a off campus business (partial credit given to the university), a on campus organization (start up capital from uni) or to have a solid plan on paper so that the university could consider a development at a later date.

In the end the university took our plan (the final draft was proofed by one full and one associate prof.) and said they would implement it to some extent in the next year, which they are doing.

Anyway we designed it all to be off campus originally and found everything to work out in our favor except for finding land. No one wanted us to do biodiesel (involving some dangerous chemicals) on their property even if we paid rent. What permits would I need? How can I get past this setback? In our current market we look at $4/5k income per year per weekly source of 100gals of oil… after wages and expenses.
Basically we know who would work for us, what our supply chains would be, who would provide chemicals (already prearranged price agreements and shipments), we have sorted out who would provide organic oil for us to process (verbally and on paper) and we have worked with major distributers in the area for future expansions and business considerations.

Besides land we don’t know what permits we need and what forms to fill out. Should we get a lawyer to help? We know we want it to be corporate. Can we get business loans being freshly graduate college students or is there some other way to fund the start up of a small business? What is a good way to find cheap land to use? Do we need to patent our process (even though most of it is freely available online and we just refined and improved some of it)? What all do small business starters need to know before jumping in completely?
Firstly) The most dangerous chemicals are our methanol and sodium hydroxide. These when combined in a crucial step form a sodium hydroxide solution in methanol containing a tiny amount of “methoxide” which is incredibly dangerous. Granted this is only formed in minute quantities to the extent that it can practically be ignored in test cases but when making large amounts of fuel it can become more of a problem as long as it is not properly vented. Really it is more of a problem on the business plan sheets because it glares out from the list of chemicals….

Secondly)
I am a college student. I have jumped back and forth between physics engineering, history and physics majors and double majors for the past four years and I won’t graduate till next year (my fifth) because of all of that and maybe not till later because I am still unsure what to do with myself and what I want to learn.

how do I go to get startup capital? I have gotten $6000 in gifts so far & it barely covers R&D.

admin answers:

I am pretty sure my answer is not really an answer, more of an observation: Usually when people ask questions and claim to be college students, it is obvious from their typos and level of insanity that they (I hope) are not. You however appear to have an inteligence. I like where your going and I like where your head is at.
You should patent and copyright anything you can. Make the patent application and if you get it great! It does not matter if it is someone else’s idea first, what matters is who gets the proof of it i.e. The patent, first.
You should incorporate, just to settle any future disputes between you and your partners. Also easier to get investment capital.
If you can find an area outside of a city ‘proper’ try that. People in the ‘country’ are often less concerned with petty things like ‘liability’. The chemicals your using arent really ‘dangerous’ are they? I mean, no more dangerous than windex, right? I know windex is very dangerous when used improperly, but then again so is common H2O, right?
Also, have you considered building/installing conversion kits or building vehicles to sell? You know, create your own customers?

The people who throw up roadblocks, like ‘we cant rent to you because of the chemicals.’ Ask them what it would take, what insurance or inspection/audit process could be implemented to get through these problems.

Oh, and yes get an attorney, at least to help with the incorporation. They can probably point you in the direction of an attorney that has experience with the EPA or chemical related law.
Also get a CPA, someone to help you with the taxes, not so much the fileing but to tell you what things you need to do to protect your money. The CPA will tell you things like “You can buy a cell phone with your after tax dollars and write off a small amount of it for business purposes, or the company can buy the cell phone for you and pay for it with ‘pre-tax’ dollars. Either way you get a cell phone.

Good luck, and help save our American Culture.

“If gas is going to cost more than 99cents a gallon, bring our troops home because they are not ‘protecting American interests’”- JackinIraq 2007.

Laura Your Questions About Biodiesel Processor

Laura asks…

how do you turn algae into usable biodiesel?

once I have cultured the algae into a reasonable amount how would i turn it into biofuel for a car, do i just dry it and crush it so that the oil comes out? or would I have to go about getting a processor and wash it?

admin answers:

Waste of time, you might get one drop of oil out of two tons of algae. If any.

Michael Your Questions About Biodiesel Processor

Michael asks…

What is a gyro therm?

I’ve already googled everything so don’t copy and past it into your answer or I’ll report abuse to yahoo. All of the definitions are too involved. I got this term from watching Dirty Jobs on Discovery Channel and they were using one in a BioDiesel processor.

admin answers:

Gyro means to spin. Therm is heat. Put them together and there ya go.

A spinning object causes friction and therefore thermal enegy.

Steven Your Questions About Biodiesel Processor

Steven asks…

How much grease from kitchens or restaurants is being used as fuel?

Waste grease could become biodiesel or some other type of fuel. Large processors are putting their waste grease toward fuel. How much of this being done on a smaller scale?

admin answers:

I have worked in the food industry for many years, and I have not worked at a single place that has used their leftover fryer oil to convert to biodiesel. Unfortunately, t’s probably not happening as much as they say it is.

Mark Your Questions About Biodiesel Processor

Mark asks…

How much grease from restaurants/kitchens is being used as fuel?

Waste grease from foodservice and from home kitchens could become biodiesel or some other type of fuel.
Large processors are putting their waste grease toward fuel. How much of this being done on a smaller scale?

admin answers:

In developed countries, waste grease is collected and transported to rendering plants where it is refined to a commodity called “yellow grease”. Most yellow grease is incorporated into animal feed, although a small but growing portion is bought as a feedstock for biodiesel plants.

The amount of waste grease that is ultimately converted to fuel will be governed by the market price of yellow grease, and how it compares to the price of new oil, and to the price consumers will pay for biodiesel. The price of yellow grease will be influenced primarily by the cost of animal feed.

To get back to your question, the volume of fuel made by small producers is very small. This is not to say that home-brewers aren’t important! To the contrary, it is what they have started that has helped bring the strength of public opinion to bear on the market. By their example, some of their neighbors and some businesses now would prefer to buy biodiesel. This has provided a customer base on which to build an industry which will have the scale an efficiency to make a much larger positive impact than individuals could do on their own.

Carol Your Questions About Biodiesel Processor

Carol asks…

this is regarding making Biodiesel at home?

I am planning to buy a bio diesel processor for use at home

plz guide me which one to buy and from where

i wish to use Pongamia Pinnata oil mostly

ne guidance or sharing of expa with those devices will be greatly appreciated
Now everyone look what Nata and Ron wrote..Diametrically opposite views

thats why i hate such fora..whats with the world

u will make a girl say ‘i am a man’ one day ! phew
thanx all u American blokes for RUINING a perfectly viable and fun idea..trust u guys to make the world difficult and chaotic !

if u want to see how we do it in India..visit www.svlele.com and see how normal household stuff has been used to make inexpensive Biofuel and more

u guys really need to get out of that Yankee culture !

admin answers:

Both Nata and Ron are right, it can be very expensive or very cheap to make bio-diesel.

Most of the methanol is only there to disperse the NaOH so that hopefully only one or two NaOH molecules encounter any given oil molecule as the idea is for it to react with hopefully a center portion of the oil molecule cutting it in half, the NaOH forms a glycerine with the center portion and the two shorter chains are esters. The idea is to reduce the average chain length of the fuel from the 18 to 35 carbon atoms lengths found in used vegetable oil down to about 11 or 10 carbon atoms.

You estimate the average chain length by measuring the specific gravity and you determine when all the NaOH has finished reacting by measuring the ph with litmus paper.

The methanol is “washed” out by mixing water into the mix which causes the methanol and water to precipitate out.

Obviously, if you recover the methanol then your costs can be greatly reduced though it may take some distilling to ensure the purity of the methanol, purity is only an issue in terms of reproducibility so that you can calculate the proportions accurately, if you’re willing to do more titration tests to adjust the proportions then you may not care about the purity of the methanol.

If you use too little methanol presumably to save money, you will probably produce more glycerin by the time you’re through as each oil molecule will likely react with more NaOH molecules due to the higher concentrations which also means your yield of diesel will be much lower.

Also the quality of the original oil affects how much additional processing must be done to make it acceptable as bio-diesel. It’s quite possible that two different people would’ve experienced very different economics while experimenting with bio-diesel at home.

Paul Your Questions About Biodiesel Processor

Paul asks…

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Diesel For 70 Cents?????
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admin answers:

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